Opera Web Browser Pain
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Opera Pain; Opera Browser Problems
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Xah Lee, 2010-09-14, 2010-10-29
This page documents some usability problems of Opera web browser.
No Drag and Drop
You cannot “drag and drop” images to a folder on desktop to save it. They insist on using different keyboard shortcuts than every browser.
For example, 【Ctrl+Tab】 is for switching tab. But in Opera, it pops up a tab menu instead. Normally, i can quickly switch to different tabs and stop at the one i want, visually looking at each tab for fraction of a second. With Opera, i have to read the titles or small thumbnails.
The 【Ctrl+w】 key lets me close a tab in IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, but doesn't work in Opera.
【Ctrl+Click】 lets me open a link in a new tab in all browsers. Not so with Opera. It opens the new link in the current tab, same as simple click.
Non-standard Tab Ordering
Also, when closing a tab, instead of showing the tab next to the closed one, Opera tries to be smart and jump to some other tab, something like the one opened before the one you closed. Very confusing. Same thing happens when switching to next/prev tabs using their 1 and 2 key shortcuts on the numerical keypad.
Non-standard Zoom-in Keys
【Ctrl++】 does not zoom in.
Does not support Scroll-wheel Side-push
Nudging my mouse's scroll wheel to the sides should scroll window horizontally. It does not work in Opera, but it does in IE, Chrome, Safari, Firefox. While Opera is supposed to suppose some fancy “gestures”. Gesture my ass.
Weird Numerical Keypad Key Behavior
The number keys on the numerical keypad do weird things. For example, 7 seems to zoom out to 20%. 8 zooms to 120%. 5 turns the current tab into a window, inside the main window. 1 and 2 is for switching prev/next tab.
The 1 and 2 key for switching tabs is convenient. You can repeatedly press one of these keys to get to the tab you want. However, if you landed on a empty page (new tab), the key starts to insert text in the url field.
Weird Fancy Features
In 10.5x, it sports some unusual sidebar widgets, like “Unite”, “Notes”, and some Sync. And also a trashcan?! Am i supposed to spend a hour study what these are?
Yeah, supposedly all these can be customized. But every time i tried to look at its preference settings, it's nearly impossible to find or set what i want, because it sports its own fancy structure and UI too.
Non-standard Preference Setting
I tried to use Opera few times every year since 1998. Every time i got frustrated. In the latest version, 10.5x, even the graphical user interface is different. When Apple or Google Chrome sports novel GUI, i didn't have any frustrating experience. I can still do what i want, sometimes more conveniently, and am able to quickly tweak preferences for things i don't like.
Evangelist Håkon Wium Lie Idiot
No wonder Opera's market never grew. In early to mid 2000s, it was plagued by being a ad-ware. But since they removed that in 2005, still nobody uses it. Since about last year, Google Chrome came, and Safari came to Windows. Both already have about twice the users of Opera. And i noticed several times in recent years that the Opera guy Håkon Wium Lie, best known for his CSS work and advocacy, is a Internet Explorer and Microsoft hater. In every opportunity he badmouths IE for this and that. Here's one of his article badmouthing IE. 〈Opera to MS: Get real about interoperability, Mr Gates〉 @ theregister.co.uk.
Opera Pain FAQ
No drag'n'drop, but, images can easily be saved, copied, or used on the desktop by one left and one right click on them.
When i browse porn, i often like to save pics i like. Drag'n'drop is the easiest.
Who needs a keyboard shortcut?
keyboard shortcuts is very convenient especially for power users. e.g. emacs, vi, are all about keys. Even in mouse intensive apps, such as 3D Modeling Blender, or photoshop, gimp, InkScape, when you become a pro you tend to go for the keys. Because, keys are precise and brainless operation, while mousing requires the harder aim and eye-balling decision making, and is slower.
Even though Opera's Ctrl+Tab pop-up scheme is non-standard, but i don't have problem using it.
【Ctrl+Tab】 to switch is convenient. Because i can keep pressing it to switch among tabs quickly, and stop at the tab i want. Usual practical speed is perhaps viewing 6 tabs per second. I normally have about 10 to 20 tabs open in each of Chrome and Firefox. (my 2 daily browser, open at all times) This many because when you do research on a topic, you have a lot pages.
Also, i've got system-wide key macros so that 【Ctrl+Tab】 and 【Ctrl+Shift+Tab】 are single keys (they are the / and * on numpad). Of course, my system works in all browsers but stops dead in just Opera itself.
The conventional hotkey to switch tabs on Windows are【Ctrl+Tab】, 【Ctrl+Shift+Tab】 and or【Ctrl+PageUp】 , 【Ctrl+PageDown】. All browser supports one of these shortcuts, usually both.
In my key macro app (on Windows it's AutoHotkey ), i can easily adjust to one of these. With Opera, it takes some 10 min or more to find out what key is what for each operation i have macro for... the end result has been that i just didn't bother and abandoned opera for the possibility of using it more often.
Ctrl++? does not zoom in, but + and - are all you need.
Thanks. Yesterday while i was frustrated and writing this, noticed the standard zoom in key 【Ctrl++】 doesn't work. However, apparantly 【Ctrl+-】 does zoom out. So naturally one'd think 【Ctrl++】 should work too. So, you can see where this confusion came from. The point here is that the non-standardness adds up, like some might say about emacs. You end up spending days just to learn the tool first, before you can use it fruitfully.
Opera does not support side-scroll by scroll wheel, but who needs it? Opera has a “Fit to Width” button that performs miracles in eliminating horizontal scrolling.
The plurk site made mouse wheel to scroll horizontally, but there are other sites, that are designed to be horizontally scrolled, either for artistic effect or for practical purposes (e.g. history line, a series of photos, panorama).
All things said, for scroll wheel mouses that has left/right push feature , it seems stupid not to support the functionality of the device. The fact that all other major browsers do support it, indicates it's not some tech hurdle.
One wonders why opera doesn't support it. Is it just sloppiness, or they actually intentionally decided that they didn't want to support it?
What i can't really believe is that they don't support drag'n'drop for saving images. That's the last straw that broke the camel's back, and made me to write my essay. At first as usual i thought the feature is hidden in some preference that i need to turn it on... but not, after searching the web a bit.
The numerical keypad as functional shortcuts keys is part of Opera, i discovered and started to use since maybe 2005 on the Mac.
I recall, few years ago when a new version of Opera came out, they removed those keys, and adopted keys more similar to Firefox. (and i was thinking: “Opera finally realized the weirdness of their keys”) But i like the 1 and 2 keys for tab switching, so i went to the preference and took a while to find a option something like “use previous opera keyset”, so i have 1 and 2 as tab switching keys.
In the latest opera 10.62, i don't know by default these are supported... maybe the reason it doesn't work for u because it was carried over from my preference settings... too lazy to dig now.
Reasons to Support Standard UI
there's a good reason to support standard, or widely adopted practices.
For example, in my case, i have system-wide key macro sets. So, i press one single key to close window or tab in any browser or other app. But when in Opera, things stopped working. So i have to adjust my macros, but then, it is time consuming to find out what's Opera's ways. This seems to be my impression in the past 10 years every year i tried.
Also, in mid 2000s i was on a low-muscled Mac laptop, so i kept a eye on cpu use for any app i use. I recall, Opera even when idle with no page loaded, will suck some 10% of cpu. I recall, all other browsers do much better. I vaguely recall the best was Camino in this regard.
there are few messages in this thread with the common opinion of Microsoft hatred, many are ill informed. Remember, that it is Microsoft that brought the concept of adhering to standard html and css, at the time when Netscape is very busy creating blinks and LiveScript and stuff. In the early days (late 1990s), IE on the mac was the first browser to support css or validation or something (you can easily find it in Wikipedia here Internet Explorer for Mac or other articles about IE, web standard...)
Netscape browser, in my personal experience, in every year since IE started, are worse than IE in EVERY aspect: standard compliance, speed, features, crashiness... There are ample evidence that's still available on the web you can verify. I ranted about it, see: Netscape Crap
IE won the browser war in early 2000s, basically got the whole market. So, they've been lazy, and thus the fact that IE has been worst browser in every aspect since mid 2005. But Microsoft has been putting more effort back to browser in past few years, with IE 8 perhaps being the first better result. (but then the slew of Microsoft haters will badmouth Microsoft doesn't matter what Microsoft do. One big controversial topic is whether IE 8 should simply stick to standard and fuck compatibility to the giga billions of existing web sites. This been blogged to death.)
in recent years, several times i'm ran into Opera's guy Håkon Wium Lie badmouthing IE, and i find his attacks scumbaggy.
For example, in his article〈Opera to MS: Get real about interoperability, Mr Gates〉 @ theregister.co.uk, he attack Microsoft for claiming to play nice yet all their pages still not valid html or something to that effect.
Look at opera home page now:
the above pages are not html valid, out of about 10 pages i just checked now (and their server seems to send wrong css mine type as text/html instead of text/css). Should we now launch a attack on Håkon for being a hypocrite?
Of course, many will say that IE won the first browser war because Microsoft's dubious business tactics, but i don't agree. This article might be of interest: On Microsoft Hatred.
See also: Web Browser Market Share 2010-02.